Nothing’s simple, is it?

We’ve discussed the legitimacy of turning cheerleading into a varsity sport, and now comes a Connecticut lawsuit where Quinnipiac University has tried to turn cheerleading — an admittedly dangerous and draining activity — into a varsity sport to raise the number of female athletes at the school.

The school eliminated its volleyball team last year, and replaced it with a competitive cheerleading squad, and some on the volleyball team sued.

This is a little more complicated than the original question — is cheerleading a sport — because those numbers count toward Title IX compliance standards. Yesterday’s court discussion revolved around whether cheerleading is a sport, but to me, the point is bringing back the volleyball team.

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42 responses to “Nothing’s simple, is it?

  1. “Testifying for the players, Webb said competitive cheerleading is as much a sport as chess.”

    Yeah, you really work up a sweat, playing chess.

  2. “Yesterday’s court discussion revolved around whether cheerleading is a sport, but to me, the point is bringing back the volleyball team.”

    That’s what I was thinking. Aren’t these two separate discussions? Why do they want to eliminate the volleyball team? Maybe they shouldn’t do that.

    Cheerleading is very physical and maybe it is a sport. Isn’t it co-ed, also? Maybe the discussion of whether or not it’s a sport is a distraction from the real issue of funding women’s sports vs funding men’s sports. Are they equal?

    • It appears Quinnipiac has played fast and loose with their numbers, in regard to Title IX compliance. Or maybe I misread that.

  3. “Cheerleading is very physical and maybe it is a sport.”

    I see it as a sport in the way figure-skating is a sport. There are competitions, and while a figure-skating “team” at the most is a couple and a cheerleading team has several participants, the routines are judged by groups of experts (diving is scored this way too, right?). Other kinds of sports tend to set competitors against each other in games (winner gets the most points) or races (winner has the best time).

    • I think it’s become more of a sport. It’s more than cheer leading. It looks like a cross-over between dance and gymnastics. Dance is not a sport, but that’s physically demanding, too. Gymnastics is a sport. I don’t think there’s a right or wrong answer on whether cheerleading is a sport.

    • That seems accurate, though I was never a cheerleader.

    • Mario Saccoccio

      Hardly a sport, just a way for the girlfriend of the football quarterback to dress in skimpy clothes and dance all around showing off her boobs and legs in some juvenile effort to make others jealous to feed his pampered ego.
      Let ‘em dress in sweats and see how much of a sport it is.

  4. This is old topic really. Years ago, it was brought up because dance team were debated to be sport. My personal feelings,, dance teams or cheer leadings are NOT sport. Yes, there are competitions and all, but still I think it’s more similar to talent show. I agree with Jac, it is a cross between dance and gymnastic, yet it’s not quite a sport by my understanding of sport.

    I agree that volleyball team should be brought back.

    • How do you feel about figure skating or diving, Lee?

      • You know, i was going to comment more on this as soon i get home from work. There’s 2 types of sport — skills and opinions.

        Skills are obvious! the best players wins. This is done by a person or as a team. Some example are speed skating, baseball, football, track, wrestling, etc.

        Opinion sports are dance team, figure skating, gymastic, etc. Opinion sports are always up for debate! The trouble with opinion sports, judges can be very bias.

        There is an exception! WWE! I swear that is NOT sport but entertainment! I never figure out why guys go for this co-called sport.

      • Mario Saccoccio

        “figure skating or diving,”

        Anything to do with swimming in the water is survival, not sports.

  5. I settled this controversy for everyone a long time ago. Aren’t you glad?

    1. A SPORT requires significant physical activity AND has an objective means of keeping score. (Baseball. Soccer. Quite possibly, Chess-Boxing.)

    2. An EXHIBITION requires significant physical activity but has subjective scoring. There’s room for disagreement about who is better than who, often, that cannot really be settled. (Diving. Gymnastics. Skating.)

    3. A GAME requires no significant physical activity but has objective scoring. (Bowling. Golf. Regular Chess. Yahtzee.)

    • However, there is no accounting for NASCAR. “Spectacle” might be a polite word for that …

    • Well. That settles it. Thanks, Just!

    • Mario Saccoccio

      ‘Nuff said…

    • JustJss,

      I agree with some of your above post…but boxing when it goes the distance becomes very subjective-yes there is scoring in boxing-but I’ve seen a lot of fights where two out the three judges didn’t see the same fight that I saw.

      While watching the World Cup soccer matches-I think I’d like soccer much better if there were no ties, and the clock for the match could be seen by all. I can’t stand it that the game ref is the only one who truly knows how much time is left in soccer.

      • Because I know squat about soccer, I’m having a hard time following the matches (shoot, half the time I lose track of the ball), and yeah, if they put the clock up where I could see it, I might keep up a little better.

        • What I meant about the clock and soccer is how the referee is able to add extra time to a game at his/her discretion. The clock should be visible for the players, coaches, and fans to see at all times. A last second play in sports is so exciting-yet in soccer the match isn’t over until the double whistle by the ref. There is an NBA referee in jail now for gambling on games that he worked…if it happened in the NBA, it could happen here as well.

          • Sorry. My first comment was unclear. More Bacon. I get what you’re saying, and I agree. Back to Bacon.

      • Todd: Chess-Boxing probably should go in the exhibition category. I don’t know what came over me.

  6. Maybe if Quinnipiac eliminated another women’s sport, they could afford to fund pole-dancing. It’s physical, requires athletic skill, etc. Also. paid admission would likely be higher than for volleyball. To further increase revenues, cocktails could be served to the spectators.

    • Actually, since some women already pole-dance to pay for their college educations, Quinnipiac could just count them towards their Title IX numbers. That would really make compliance cheap!

    • Loved this movie.

      • I wouldn’t have seen this one if we hadn’t been at the Red Carpet (as spectators) in Hollywood for it’s premier. We were staying at the hotel practically next door to the Chinese Theater and so we went.
        That movie was pretty funny. Loved the prayer scene:

        • And this is about when my son and I went simple in the theater. We saw it here in the godless Northeast, and I think we were the only ones laughing.

  7. Dammit. That should be grateful, not greatful.

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