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Perhaps when they are finished patting themselves on the backs, They can make me a turkey sandwich.
Missionary Cossacks.
You lil’ pot-stirrer, you.
They totally would, Mario – they are out there feeding people, why not you? But they probably won’t come to your house to do it.
“Episconinjas,” I love it!
“No dogmas were injured in the creation of this video (though one vicar was wearied)”
I love a church that can simultaneously take its mission very seriously but itself not at all.
Speaks well of them, yes?
Here I was…all ready to push “post comment” on a rather snotty rant about the inherent intolerance of religion in general…as opposed to the presumed intolerance of one religion in particular recently the subject of a good deal of criticism for trying to build…well…tolerance. I employed the usual crew…”Kill them all, let God sort them out”…the Crusades…the Inquisition…38,000 denominations in Christianity alone…blacks not allowed into Mormonism until 1978, (including some rather sensational quotes from their scripture)…Hasidic Jews wanting to segregate their children from Sephardic Jews…I was even toying with the heathens.
It was beautiful…in a rather runny-nose-snotty sort of way.
And then I see…this.
So okay…I get to suck the snot back in…for now.
Score one for Jay and the Episcopalians. (Sounds like a surf band, don’t it? A Christian surf band, of course.)
Atheist 0
Religion 1
But there’s a lot of game left to be played. And I have a bullpen full of snot.
So don’t get too comfy.
I am just back from breakfast, and I want to thank you for the snot-references. Fortunately, I grew up with older brothers and nothing grosses me out. Nothing.
don’t look at me! Being an Episconinjas, no comment — never heard of it this way , will leave that to Jay.
Right. We’ll just blame Jay.
Lee is an Episconinja, for sure. As am I. And Blessed Neu–where is she?
Enjoyed the video and will be forwarding it to some folks. This Sunday I’m going to do a house Eucharist with some folks who are curious about the Episcopal Church!
Knocking doors for God’s frozen chosen? Need any tips?
(Actually, “frozen chosen” comes from an Episcopalian priest/friend of mine. I mean no harm.)
Fear not. The term “God’s frozen chosen” has been around for quite a while.
I used to have a cartoon posted in my office at Gallaudet University. It depicted a couple sitting in a front pew in an Episcopal or, more probably, a Church of England pew.
The new priest is leading the service. The husband whispers to his wife, “He’s no good. I saw his lips move.”
And I had a cartoon that said: Why don’t fundamentalists have sex standing up? The punchline? Because someone might think they’re dancing.
I have a dear friend that is Episcopalian who refers herself as one of God’s Holy Frozen People. I like liturgy. If I was gonna do the Jesus thing again I might go Episcopalian (although there’s a really cool Lutheran church in town that offered to have my youngest in their VBS even knowing he’d tell them that the crucifixion is icky and he doesn’t get the whole Jesus thing.)
That could get some interesting conversation going, yes?
The large church at :40 and 1:44 is the Washington National Cathedral. I had the privilege of preaching there on August 27, 1989. DJ has a copy of the sermon.
“…no dogmas were injured….”
Heh, I noted that too. So does this mean that there are no bigoted Episcopalians, that they’re all only good?
No dogmas were injured, but I’m not sure about the catmas.
Just when is Catmas celebrated? (My friends Pixie and Gizmo would really like to know.)
And my friend Junior is awaiting his presents.
And they could all wish each other a merry Catmas, if only we knew when it was. Jay?
“Just when is Catmas celebrated? (My friends Pixie and Gizmo would really like to know.)”
You’ll have to ask a Roamin’ Cat-holic priest that question.
God, but I hate puns. Fortunately, I love Bro. Jay. Otherwise? We’d have a problem.
How would I recognize one? All in black with a white collar?
http://adoptions.petsmart.com/images/agency-stories-img/priest.jpg
Kee-rist. This has gotten out of hand.
Awwwwwwww…!
[groan....]
Gotta say, the Episconinjas (or their PR firm) really hit a home run with that video. All the more remarkable in an era where the Catholic Church shoots itself in the foot with each new public pronouncement …
Episcopalians get in trouble for being radically inclusive.
You said it! They even include me!
I’ve registered a complaint about that and am waiting to hear.
My opinion? They are well rid of the people who think they are too inclusive.
Despite their nickname (frozen chosen), the Episcopals were ordaining women back in the ’70s. Remember that? And despite their reputation of country-club members, I know a shit-ton of Episcopal churches in cities that definitely get their hands dirty.
Specifically, a renegade group in 1974, which threw the denomination into chaos. Officially the ordination of women began January 1, 1977.
The “Philadelphia Seven” (I forget the exact number) were “regularized” as part of the deal.
BTW, we’re not “Episcopals.” We’re Episcopalians who attend Episcopal churches and believe in the historic Episcopate.
I most likely will never get that straight, and sorry for past and future offenses. But I remember reading the story in my Time magazine and thinking, “Wow. Women can do that?”
“But I remember reading the story in my Time magazine and thinking, “Wow. Women can do that?””
Wow, right, you were a teenager then. Must’ve been rather mind-blowing.
It gave me hope. I mean, even though Episcopalians (happy, Bro. Jay?) weren’t in the One True Church, the fact that someone somewhere thought women were worthy of clergy positions made me happy.
Ann Coburn, the co-rector (with her husband) at St. James in Danbury, was among the first that year. Pretty exciting stuff, especially after just coming off another stretch with the GOC.
That is exciting.
Oh! Like the difference between Democrat and Democratic! I get it!
I never heard of “God’s frozen people.” But since you are kidding around, making fun of us Episcoplians, let me tell you a short story.
While attending Galluadet (no, I did not meet Jay there even though I met him off-campus while I was a student,) I was hooked on Tab soda. An Episcopal priest at Gallaudet asked me why I was drinking Tab instead of Pepsi Cola, as “all” Episcopalians should be drinking.
Jay, don’t tell yet,,,,, Can anyone guess why that priest told me to drink Pepsi?
Something about Pepsi generation??
I was impatient for the punchline, so I asked Google (sorry, Lee). The leading candidates are:
1. “Episcopal” is “Pepsi Cola” because “it’s the real thing.”
2. It’s an anagram!!
I’m rooting for number 2 …
Gina wins! Gina wins!
yes, it’s number 2, but I like number 1 too!
I don’t get it.
Rearrange the letters of “Pepsi Cola” and you’ll get “Episcopal.”
Try it.
But, to rain on the parade–I loathe Pepsi. Coca cola is the real thing. As Joe Biden would say, a BFD.
LOL jay,, i hate pepsi too! I preferred Tab, that it,,IF I can find it. Thanks to Diet Coke, stores pretty much don’t sell Tab anymore, but it’s still around.
Lee
oh dear,,,,
anagram……………….
scramble the word “pepsi-cola” and it spells episcopal. For that reason, pepsi-cola was the soda for Episcopalians.
Thank you. I’m a little slow on the uptake, I fear.
I got THAT because it was spelled out right in front of me — but I don’t get a lot of spoken puns, say, because I take everything so literally.
Same here, CS. Ive never been sure if it’s an occupational hazard, or if I had it all along and it’s just what made me a good software engineer.
And me a good pattern-maker?
Come sit by me.
I’m Episcopalian, and I love it so. Although, other denominations consider us wishy-washy, and the whole “splitting” issue isn’t helping matters.
Hey Jay, have you any recommendations on a book with a good handle on Anglican/Episcopalian theology? Yeah, yeah, I know…we’re via media, but still!
Of course, Jabba, you start with the Book of Common Prayer, all 1001 pages of it. Specifically, the Nicene Creed. Page 358.
Plus there’s a neat “Outline of the Faith” way back on p. 845
The thing is, we are a creedal rather than a confessional church. The creeds have been around for a long, long time and are normative. They say what we, as the church, believe about God. The Roman Catholic, various Orthodox churches and some others have carried these creeds down over the centuries.
The creeds don’t say anything about smoking, or whether women can be ordained, or of church government, the liturgy or (gasp!) whether organ music is allowed in the service.
Many dioceses and parishes have links to the Episcopal Church’s national website, which explains all this. Try also the Diocese of West Texas, which has a neat summary.
http://www.kingofpeace.org, which produced the video, has a good explanation also.
Episcopal theology? It’s all over the place. We have ultra liberals and ultra conservatives, and everything in between. Really, Episcopal theology is summed up in the creeds.
I like that, all over the place. My kinda church.
Haha. I do have my BCP with me, so I guess it’s a start.
Thank you! I knew about how it’s all summed up in the creeds, but I was looking for a good, meaty book I could possibly devour this fall. I guess it was just sitting in front of me this whole time.
I’ve been trying to remember if there was a book that really inspired me when I started going to the Episcopal Church but, no. The BCP and the hymnal are really all you need.
HEY! How are you doing these days?
Oh gosh Jay,, I just completed the confirmation class (just for fun of it) and don’t wanna look at the Catechism for awhile! No matter how many times I took the class, Catechism was always brought up!
http://anglicansonline.org/basics/catechism.html is great site that covers the Catechism.
I’m the godmother to an Episcopalian boy. He’ll be confirmed in three years I better read up.
Rats. No one ever picks me to be godmother.
“This catechism is primarily intended for use by parish priests, deacons, and lay catechists, to give an outline for instruction. It is a commentary on the creeds, but is not meant to be a complete statement of belief and practices; rather, it is a point of departure for the teacher, and it is cast in the traditional question and answer form for ease of reference.
“The second use of this catechism is to provide a brief summary of the Church’s teaching for an inquiring stranger who picks up a Prayer Book.
“It may also be used to form a simple service; since the matter is arranged under headings, it is suitable for selective use, and the leader may introduce prayers and hymns as needed.”
Phew. Lotta details there. I’m getting frightened.
Not really, DJ. You attended Hartford Seminary so you know that “theology” includes a very broad range. Systematic theology, Biblical theology, the theology of social justice, pastoral theology, probably now even Internet theology.
Theology is sort of like Baskin-Robbins.
True. There’s flavors for everyone.
But see? I want all the flavors…in one book. Is that too much to ask? ;)