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  1. How horrible!! My thoughts & prayers go out to the survivors, families, community.
    We have friends who live in Aurora. I’ll check on them.

  2. Yes, this event was a terrible tragedy.

    But wasn’t it also entirely predictable, at least in some broad sense? I mean, why is it that we act surprised that something like this has occurred?

    People die in car accidents all the time, and although each such incident is a tragedy, it is not treated as surprising. Society’s reaction to the auto accident death toll includes doing things to reduce the carnage (air bags, ABS brakes, crumple zone construction, road design, etc.).

    We are a nation of over 300 Million people, and we have a very strong gun culture which treats ownership of rapid-fire weapons with high capacity clips as a right. We can be confident that some percentage of those 300 million people are gun owners who are both angry and crazy. Within that population (which is known to include some angry crazies), we even have candidates for federal office encouraging violent actions such as “second amendment remedies” (Nevada’s Sharron Angle, a 2010 Republican candidate for US Senate) and “don’t retreat, reload” (Sarah Palin).

    Events like yesterday’s theater massacre will happen again; the only unknowns are when, where and the precise details. What are we doing about it?

    Nothing. And we won’t, either. Even talking about doing something about it causes apoplexy at the NRA, among the legislators they own, and many others. We will simply wring our hands and keep our heads in the sand.

  3. Colorado’s gun laws are about what you might expect for a state out in the wild west. So I’m wondering why no one in the theater fired back as soon as they realized what was going on. Someone must have been armed besides the gunman, statistically speaking. Isn’t that one of the biggest pro-gun arguments, that an armed society is a polite society, and that the more people who are armed the better?

    1. Maybe you don’t know as much about folks out west…or about gun owners…as you think.
      Not all gunowners…in fact…precious few gun owners are anything like the stereotypes found in pro-gun and anti-gun rhetoric.
      Especially out West.

    2. I wonder if that might have to do with the average age of the Batman fans in attendance?

  4. It could be that it was confusing and hard to see. (It sounds like that was the case.) While the shooter didn’t care who he shot, a responsible person with a gun would need a clear shot, without people running around in between. If someone else had a gun, it was probably nearly impossible to use it to stop this guy. Didn’t he also have an assault rifle that had been banned in the’90s? I thought I had read that. I’d like to know how he got his hands on that.

    1. Well, and he was clothed from head to toe in “armor” — ballistic cloth or whatever it’s called, AND he had 3000 rounds for each firearm except the shotgun.. For that I think he had 300 shells.

  5. AND yesterday there was a killing in Manchester of a woman by her boyfriend and his gun.

  6. I wonder how the NRA might react if a bunch of really crazy anti-gun nuts went into NRA headquarters and blew away a few dozen NRA executives?

    It really wouldn’t be all that hard, would it? I mean, first of all, there seems to be some kind of assumption that “libruls” and people who favor gun regulation are clueless about guns, and couldn’t hit the side of a barn.

    WRONG.

    1. I would hope that would never happen. And any assumptions about libruls should include a goodly number of us who know guns, own guns, use guns, and yet don’t necessarily think gun control is a bad thing.

      1. I totally agree with your second sentence. I am somewhat conflicted as to the first sentence, though.

        Although I wish no harm to anybody I am convinced that the NRA and the gun nuts don’t feel there is any personal danger to themselves in the positions they take. They should, but they don’t. Meanwhile the NRA’s give-every-idiot-a-gun mentality is killing a lot of people. (Yes, guns DO kill people. How many victims would there have been in that theater if that wing-nut had nothing but a knife or a club?)

        Maybe if the inevitable consequences of their positions were visited upon some of them personally they might view things differently. I am NOT suggesting that anybody should plan any such thing, only that if it did happen (and it could) it might change some thinking.

        All I’m doing here is thinking of this in “Golden Rule” terms. You know, do unto others……..?

        1. The sad fact is, the vast majority of gun owners (this is in my experience) aren’t nuts. But I think I understand what you’re saying. There has to be an accounting for the nuts who do evil things like this. A gun is a big damn deal and it should be a big damn deal to own/purchase one.

          1. I totally agree with everything you just said.

            Yes, a gun is a big damn deal. And the more powerful a gun is, the bigger a damn deal it is, too.

            For example, there is a REASON why people need special training and a special license to drive a damn vehicle weighing over 18,000 pounds. The same kind of thing should apply to guns.

    1. Oh, so people who pack heat can’t get shot and killed? Now I get it. How silly of me to have overlooked that fact.

      1. Repeat after me Dick….. “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people” . Make sure you wrap your head with some grey tape so your head will say together as it explodes.

  7. You have to show a license, sign your name, and then you have a low purchase limit on the purchase of sudafed. Not so for bullets. I don’t get that.

    1. Pseudoephedrine (Sudafed) is a sought-after chemical precursor in the illicit manufacture of methamphetamine. Sales of OTC remedies like Sudafed is tracked and controlled in order to prevent large purchases that can be used in the manufacture of meth.
      Pseudoephedrine is also banned by the IOC and other sports organizations.
      Ever see “Breaking Bad”?

      1. Yes, of course you are correct, leftover.

        But to Jac’s point, bullets are untraceable. Bullets could (and I believe should) be made traceable, but there is a whole lot of
        objection to doing so.

        I happen to agree with Susan, that guns are a big deal. They should be treated accordingly. I don’t think a person should have a right to fire a gun anonymously, just as people don’t have a right to drive an untraceable car.

        1. Dick, the first article you link to states that bullets are, in fact, traceable, matching rifling marks on the projectile to the source weapon, (ballistics).
          Micro-stamping casings could be useful…as long as casings can be recovered. If a revolver is being used, casings are not ejected automatically. How micro-stamping casings could affect reloaders, (gun owners who assemble their own bullets), is unclear.

          Nobody in this country, if they purchase a firearm legally, uses it “anonymously.”

          1. “Nobody in this country, if they purchase a firearm legally, uses it “anonymously.”

            Oh, really? You think every bullet fired from every “legal” gun can be traced back to it unless it is tested after the fact? I doubt you do.

            Sorry, but there are an awful lot of people who want to make sure that guns can be used both irresponsibly and anonymously, as they often are now. They concentrate on that, but apparently not on the predictable consequences.

            As I said above, events like Columbine, Gabby Gifford, Aurora, Virgina Tech, etc. will cause hand-wringing, but we never will address the problem. Our culture makes sure of that. I’m tired of it, but it will continue unabated.

            What is confusing (to me at least) is that so many who fight for “gun rights” kinds of things don’t seem to want anything to be done about the mass killing problem. Last time I checked, the Second Amendment talked about gun rights, but did NOT prohibit dealing with potential mass killers.

      2. I know, but what has the potential to be more dangerous? (Granted, most bullets and most Sudafed are used responsibly.)

      1. There you go. Or, we could let them buy blanks…or squirt guns…or laser tag guns. Lots of choices!

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