My skeleton is more unisex than classic female (hips not wider than shoulders, low waist), so I’ve often worn mens pants because the waistbands don’t sit at my rib-cage. I told my students about this once, and one suggested that I must be gay. She definitely had pretty rigid ideas about what we SHOULD wear.
I have to say I’m impressed with your collection. I’ve seen you in person … nine times maybe? … and NEVER have you worn the same things twice. That takes great care and discernment.
However, previous to the 60’s it was that way. Based primarily upon: Deut. 21:5 5 “A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God”
At my high school in the 50’s–Thursday was the only day girls could wear anything but dresses. Most wore guy’s blue jeans which some shrunk to fit very tight by sitting in the bathtub with them on–they were not pre=shrunk then. Obviously, the guys did not care.
Ah, the glory days of female finery. I can remember when all I owned were two pairs of jeans, and my church clothes. Took the guesswork out of “What shall I wear today?”
The idea of women coming in various shapes is just not tolerated very well with women’s clothing. Men buy clothing by waist and length. Women buy one size that is proportioned the way a woman’s body “should be shaped” at an “ideal height”, right? My body has always been more straight, too. Buying clothes and finding things that fit well were always a constant reminder that my body wasn’t shaped the way a perfect body is shaped. It’s just not fair. …I’ve gotta just accept that life isn’t fair, I think.
Lately, I’m just going for comfort since I’ve been covered in hives and the last thing I care about is how I look when I put something on!
Unitards! The answer to everything. I am battling poison ivy, myself (I do so twice a year, pretty much by the clock) and all I want is nekkidity — not acceptable in most of the places I frequent.
As far as I know, I’ve never had poison ivy. From what I’ve seen, on other people, it looks pretty nasty and bothersome. I hope it clears up soon. I’ve been having trouble sleeping with the hives. You, too?
Yep, light loose clothing (if necessary) seems best. It’s good that I don’t have to leave the house much! My doc suggested lotion with menthol in it (Eucerin – calming itch-relief treatment lotion) and antihistamine until it’s figured out. Maybe that lotion would help ease the itch for you, too. Of course, you probably are a pro at handling it with such regular PI outbreaks. Any lotion advice?…since ya can’t be nekkid all the time.
I am a huge fan of Ivarest — which might work for hives, too, though it may be specifically for my own affliction. Why don’t I put out a request? Rhulagel (speeling?), made by BandAid and it might go by a different name, is quite good. Lemme post something. There has to be better stuff out there for hives.
Hey, DJ, why do you keep getting the poison ivy?
It is easy to identify. And if you are one of those super sensitive that can get it from the air on hot days–It is particularly important to stay far away.
At any rate–hope that it clears up soon.
Regard to Deut. 22:7–this from a commentator is probably a good explanation of that verse: (5) A command to keep distinction between the sexes in clothing.
A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God.
a. Anything that pertains to a man: In Old Testament times, men and women wore clothing that was superficially similar – long robes and wrapping garments were common for both sexes. Yet, the specific types of garments and the way in which they were worn made a clear distinction between the sexes, and this command instructs God’s people to respect those distinctions.
i. Some have taken this command to be the “proof-text” against women wearing pants and some Christian groups command that women wear only dresses. Yet, this is not a command against women wearing a garment that in some ways might be common between men and women; it is a command against dressing in a manner which deliberately blurs the lines between the sexes.
b. Nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment: This does not prohibit a man from wearing a kilt; yet it clearly prohibits a man dressing like a woman, as is all too common – and all too accepted – in our modern culture.
i. The dramatic rise in cross-dressing, transvestitism, androgynous behavior, and “gender-bender” behavior in our culture is a shocking trampling of this command, and will reap a bitter harvest in more perversion and more gender confusion in our culture.
c. All who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God: This command to observe the distinction between the sexes is so important, those who fail to observe it are called an abomination to the Lord. This was not only because cross-dressing was a feature of pagan, idolatrous worship in the ancient world, but also because of the terrible cultural price that is paid when it is pretended that there is no difference between men and women.
i. “Later writers, such as Lucian of Samosata and Eusebius, speak of the practice of masquerading in the worship of Astarte. Apparently women appeared in men’s garments and men in women’s garments.” (Thompson)
Man, you know way more about clothing than I do. So thank you for the historic perspective. I appreciate it.
As for why I keep getting poison ivy, I believe I do that because I am an idiot. I literally get it twice a year — spring and fall — and it goes all through my system and I am miserable in the meantime. I know what poison ivy is — the doctor says this is something like it, but probably not ivy, maybe sumac. I also know what sumac looks like. Maybe this is like leprosy and I need a healing.
Well, according to what David Dallas said, I’m screwed! After my senior ball (many years ago) my date & I swapped clothes…just for the fun of it. I looked way better in a tux than he did in a dress, but still…it was a man’s tux. Frankly, I’d do anything I could to get out of having to wear a dress over the years. They’re just no fun to wear, in my opinion. You can’t ride a bike or a horse in them, or do a cartwheel. Not that I do those things a lot, but I should have the option, don’t you think? Life isn’t fair for women. (notice a theme here? )
Here goes my Botanist background: Poison ivy, poison Oak, and poison sumac are all species of sumac. All cause the same problem to many people. All vary some in their characteristics from region to region. Thus, one may come into contact with a variable species and not recognize it. It may grow as a vine, a shrub, or a thicket.
David, what would it cost me to have you fly out and identify everything in my yard (I get this after I do extreme weeding, every time) that might hurt me?
Dating Jesus 
My skeleton is more unisex than classic female (hips not wider than shoulders, low waist), so I’ve often worn mens pants because the waistbands don’t sit at my rib-cage. I told my students about this once, and one suggested that I must be gay. She definitely had pretty rigid ideas about what we SHOULD wear.
Leather teddies and feather boas, if you’re a girl. Or Spandex! You can not go wrong with Spandex. And so the circle is complete.
I have to say I’m impressed with your collection. I’ve seen you in person … nine times maybe? … and NEVER have you worn the same things twice. That takes great care and discernment.
I am quite the dashing swain. Oh, wait. Can a woman be a swain? I bet I can in unisex pants!
However, previous to the 60’s it was that way. Based primarily upon: Deut. 21:5 5 “A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God”
At my high school in the 50’s–Thursday was the only day girls could wear anything but dresses. Most wore guy’s blue jeans which some shrunk to fit very tight by sitting in the bathtub with them on–they were not pre=shrunk then. Obviously, the guys did not care.
“But what if women’s clothes don’t fi-i-i-i-i-i-i-t,” wailed the abomination?
Then you gots to go with the men’s.
Ah, the glory days of female finery. I can remember when all I owned were two pairs of jeans, and my church clothes. Took the guesswork out of “What shall I wear today?”
The idea of women coming in various shapes is just not tolerated very well with women’s clothing. Men buy clothing by waist and length. Women buy one size that is proportioned the way a woman’s body “should be shaped” at an “ideal height”, right? My body has always been more straight, too. Buying clothes and finding things that fit well were always a constant reminder that my body wasn’t shaped the way a perfect body is shaped. It’s just not fair. …I’ve gotta just accept that life isn’t fair, I think.
Lately, I’m just going for comfort since I’ve been covered in hives and the last thing I care about is how I look when I put something on!
Unitards! The answer to everything. I am battling poison ivy, myself (I do so twice a year, pretty much by the clock) and all I want is nekkidity — not acceptable in most of the places I frequent.
As far as I know, I’ve never had poison ivy. From what I’ve seen, on other people, it looks pretty nasty and bothersome. I hope it clears up soon. I’ve been having trouble sleeping with the hives. You, too?
Yep, light loose clothing (if necessary) seems best. It’s good that I don’t have to leave the house much! My doc suggested lotion with menthol in it (Eucerin – calming itch-relief treatment lotion) and antihistamine until it’s figured out. Maybe that lotion would help ease the itch for you, too. Of course, you probably are a pro at handling it with such regular PI outbreaks. Any lotion advice?…since ya can’t be nekkid all the time.
I am a huge fan of Ivarest — which might work for hives, too, though it may be specifically for my own affliction. Why don’t I put out a request? Rhulagel (speeling?), made by BandAid and it might go by a different name, is quite good. Lemme post something. There has to be better stuff out there for hives.
Hey, DJ, why do you keep getting the poison ivy?
It is easy to identify. And if you are one of those super sensitive that can get it from the air on hot days–It is particularly important to stay far away.
At any rate–hope that it clears up soon.
Regard to Deut. 22:7–this from a commentator is probably a good explanation of that verse: (5) A command to keep distinction between the sexes in clothing.
A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God.
a. Anything that pertains to a man: In Old Testament times, men and women wore clothing that was superficially similar – long robes and wrapping garments were common for both sexes. Yet, the specific types of garments and the way in which they were worn made a clear distinction between the sexes, and this command instructs God’s people to respect those distinctions.
i. Some have taken this command to be the “proof-text” against women wearing pants and some Christian groups command that women wear only dresses. Yet, this is not a command against women wearing a garment that in some ways might be common between men and women; it is a command against dressing in a manner which deliberately blurs the lines between the sexes.
b. Nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment: This does not prohibit a man from wearing a kilt; yet it clearly prohibits a man dressing like a woman, as is all too common – and all too accepted – in our modern culture.
i. The dramatic rise in cross-dressing, transvestitism, androgynous behavior, and “gender-bender” behavior in our culture is a shocking trampling of this command, and will reap a bitter harvest in more perversion and more gender confusion in our culture.
c. All who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God: This command to observe the distinction between the sexes is so important, those who fail to observe it are called an abomination to the Lord. This was not only because cross-dressing was a feature of pagan, idolatrous worship in the ancient world, but also because of the terrible cultural price that is paid when it is pretended that there is no difference between men and women.
i. “Later writers, such as Lucian of Samosata and Eusebius, speak of the practice of masquerading in the worship of Astarte. Apparently women appeared in men’s garments and men in women’s garments.” (Thompson)
Man, you know way more about clothing than I do. So thank you for the historic perspective. I appreciate it.
As for why I keep getting poison ivy, I believe I do that because I am an idiot. I literally get it twice a year — spring and fall — and it goes all through my system and I am miserable in the meantime. I know what poison ivy is — the doctor says this is something like it, but probably not ivy, maybe sumac. I also know what sumac looks like. Maybe this is like leprosy and I need a healing.
Well, according to what David Dallas said, I’m screwed! After my senior ball (many years ago) my date & I swapped clothes…just for the fun of it. I looked way better in a tux than he did in a dress, but still…it was a man’s tux. Frankly, I’d do anything I could to get out of having to wear a dress over the years. They’re just no fun to wear, in my opinion. You can’t ride a bike or a horse in them, or do a cartwheel. Not that I do those things a lot, but I should have the option, don’t you think? Life isn’t fair for women. (notice a theme here? )
I have skirts but I wear them so rarely that on day swhen I do wear them, people always comment. I’m more comfortable in jeans.
Thanks – I’ll check into Ivarest. I like the idea that the word “rest” is part of the name! :)
It’s it awful? It’s like that’s all I can think about when I’m really itching. I wake up scratching. I hate it.
I hope you sleep well and dream of itch-free skin. I’m gonna go give it a shot.
Good luck. I’m also a fan of Claritin, if that helps you at all. I’m at the tail end of this bout and I hope you are, too.
There is no poison ivy in Germany or Croatia. Pack your bags, I’ll meet you out front.
I’ve gotten poison ivy just by looking at it, I believe; also from bonfires and from a cat who walked through it and passed the oil on to my.
…on to me.
Yow. Supposedly (I’ve only read this and heard about it) breathing in the oil from it is especially dangerous.
My face looked like an especially pebbly grapefruit.
Yikes~
Here goes my Botanist background: Poison ivy, poison Oak, and poison sumac are all species of sumac. All cause the same problem to many people. All vary some in their characteristics from region to region. Thus, one may come into contact with a variable species and not recognize it. It may grow as a vine, a shrub, or a thicket.
David, what would it cost me to have you fly out and identify everything in my yard (I get this after I do extreme weeding, every time) that might hurt me?