Throwing women under the bus

Last night, members of the U.S. House of Representatives compromised on an amendment within the giant health care reform bill that rolls the clocks back 30-plus years. I understand compromise, but this is not compromise. This is caving.

This afternoon, a group of Hartford-area organizations — among them Planned Parenthood of CTNARAL Pro-Choice CT, and CT National Organization for Women — sponsored a “Speak-out for Reproductive Rights” at Trinity College, and activists young and old each had five minutes at the microphone. The event was planned well in advance of Saturday’s House vote, and the mood was somber. Volunteer peacekeepers — trained to counter any flamboyant protests by people who oppose abortion rights — were not needed. Only one young college student took the mic and said she opposed abortion and though you could argue with her wording, she was perfectly polite and the audience was perfectly polite while they listened to her.

I’d spent the evening before watching C-SPAN’s coverage of the House debate on health care reform. I’ve learned to watch political debates surrounded by pillows, so that when I have to throw something at the screen — and I often have to throw something — I throw something soft. Saturday’s debate was fraught with misinformation and the kinds of compromises where a horse becomes a giraffe, and a great idea becomes  perfectly horrible one. The Stupak amendment is not progress, and if ever you thought a woman’s right to choose her reproductive destiny was carved in stone, you only need to read that amendment. The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops had a huge hand in the language of this bill — which seems odd to me because I don’t remember voting for a single one of them. They are not elected representatives, and I do not hold share their view of a woman’s place in the world — this one or the one beyond. (Not everyone agrees they bear much blame for this.)

On Sunday, amid the seasoned activists and the young women tearfully saying they’d had abortions and told no one, one young 20-year-old stood up and, voice shaking, said she’d never felt so untrusted by her government to make her own decision about her reproductive destiny.

Ah, but we’re not done yet. It’s now the senators’ turn, and you’d do well by contacting yours to let them know that we’re not going back to the bad old days, no how and no way.

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  1. “The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops had a huge hand in the language of this bill — which seems odd to me because I don’t remember voting for a single one of them. They are not elected representatives, and I do not hold share their view of a woman’s place in the world — this one or the one beyond.”

    A big, giant ditto!

    This really angers me. Why is Nancy Pelosi making deals with them in the 11th hour? Why is she even talking with them or listening to them? I don’t get that. What the heck happened to separation of church and state?

    1. All good questions. I worry sometimes that in the name of compromise we do some very silly things.

    1. Thanks, Spread the word (not about what I said, but about what must be said to our senators). I figure Pres. Obama sends me a lot of emails, I’m going to start replying.

  2. A friend just suggested checking Kucinich’s site to see why he voted against the bill as presented — kucinich.house.gov

  3. So…..what do you want me tell Baucus…Hmmmmm?
    Don’t worry about being polite.

    I haven’t had much computer time today and I’m trying to find out if the Kerry/Hatch Amendment, C-14, passed intact with the House Bill.
    Mostly what I’m seeing right now amounts to turd polishing and blame splitting. Attacks on Stupak, C Street, The AMA and ANA.
    Do you remember hearing anything during the debate?

    1. I remember the legislators shouting down some women. And I remember a lot of useless rhetoric about freedom that really wasn’t about freedom at all.

    1. I searched the bill and couldn’t find it. I found nothing at the Kos live blog. It could mean it didn’t make it.
      I hope so.
      But there’s so much stink on this plop and with all the spin being deployed it may take a day or two for the cream to rise.

      1. That would be a sad and sorry shame, if it did make it in. Did you get the PDF of the bill?

      2. Yes. I searched it once but online pdf’s can be tricky. I’m going to find another copy.
        I really doubt it made it through.

        1. I only know the PDF version. Maybe in the next few days there will be something more search-able?

          1. The atheists should be rolling out of bed pretty soon. We’ll probably see more Monday. The FFRF hasn’t updated yet and they were on this mid-October. It may have gotten dumped or renamed and reinserted.
            They’ll be more info later, I’m sure.

            1. That can be good and bad. I mean, the stuff I know about this bill doesn’t excite or ignite me.

            2. I searched the text of the bill (HR3962) for keywords and phrases and searched the “C” section at the Library of Congress Thomas site and couldn’t find it. That doesn’t mean it isn’t in there somewhere. I’ll have to watch and see what more analysts report as the week progresses. But I don’t think it’s in there.
              Two thousand pages of bullshit is going to require more than one shovel.
              Maybe a backhoe.

  4. In Rome, a father could kill his new born daughter simply because he did not want a daughter. Why was he not charged with murder? In that culture, women had no status, they were considered property. And you cannot murder property.

    Fast forward to the 2oth & 2o first Centuries. It is okay to abort a child [a human life] for any reason. But it is not murder–its my body, my property. Interesting??

    1. A fertilized egg is not a child and is not an independent human. Comparing that to a woman is not a fair comparison.

  5. Not referring to a fertilized egg tho that is when life begins. Instead a fetus with a beating heart and fully formed body [tho not completely developed yet]
    The property issue is what is significant [female infant in Rome–property–a living being {fetus} property in US]

    1. We disagree on when life begins. From such loud arguments occur. Here’s a bit of history — though it’s Wikipedia, it’s not bad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_States
      And — sorry, I posted too soon — here is some information from the CDC. This may be the most recent year for which data is available, or maybe I’m just not a good researcher: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5713a1.htm
      Sixty-two percent of abortions are performed by eight weeks. By far (88 percent), more abortions occur when the pregnancy is no more than 12 weeks along. You can see photos of what a fetus looks like at all weeks here: http://www.babycenter.com/fetal-development-images-8-weeks

      1. A fetus has all of its organs differentiated, a beating heart, beginnings of fingers, hands, toes, etc at the time period you are referencing. Find a copy of the video “Miracle of Life” and view it. It shows and explains all the stages of development. Very excellent photography in the womb.

        1. We’ve disagreed on when life starts and we’ll probably continue to do so, Bro. David. I’ve seen “Miracle of Life,” and read the literature and if there was one scintilla of doubt in my mind, I wouldn’t stand with a woman’s right to choose. But I don’t have that doubt, so I do stand with that.

      2. David, cells are differentiating and organizing into parts and organs all through the pregnancy. The organism (the fetus), however, is not fully formed and it cannot survive outside of the womb. It is completely reliant on the mother. At 8-12 weeks, when 9 out of every 10 abortions take place, the fetus is far from an independent being. At this point, we are talking about cells with the potential to become a human. You claim something else. To claim that those cells at 8-12 weeks are equal to a living, independent, female infant, is not at all the same. An infant can live apart from it’s mother. A fetus cannot.

    2. Are you saying that it’s ok to abort as long as it’s not recognizable as a human? i.e. Once you have a beating heart and a face, it’s not ok. Before that, it’s ok. That’s how you determine this?
      Since when do people refer to a fetus as property? It is part of the mother’s body and not an independent life. The mother’s body is not property – it’s the mother’s body.

      1. Jac,
        That is not what I am saying==What most pro abortion advocates say is that is okay up until the fetus can live on its own outside the womb. [that is when life exists]. I say life begins at fertilization because it sets in motion the steps which result in a new human being [life].
        I don’t have the documentation available to in regard to the property issue–but I have heard advocates state many times–that it is the women’s body [property] and she has the right to do with it what she wants.
        Of course, in regard to the fetus- 50% of the DNA of the child is the father’s. And, many say he has no say in the decision.

        1. And while we can argue until the cows come home on abortion (and we could), your last statement has bothered me for years. As the mother of sons, we would have this discussion around the dinner table — if you and your girlfriend make choices (or fail to make good choices, given your age and maturity) and a pregnancy occurs (I don’t use “your girlfriend gets pregnant” because that makes it sound immaculate and it’s not) and she wants to abort and you don’t, precisely what say do you have? And yet, the woman is carrying that fetus and I would never propose she be required to carry a fetus to term against her will.

          1. That question does become interesting–since in your scenario if she decides not to abort and not to continue the relationship–law says because he is the father [his DNA] he must pay child support. Is it any less his child before birth?
            And then the courts are still trying to sort out whether both have to agree about the disposition of the frozen fertilized egg when a divorce occurs.
            Tis it any wonder there is not agreement?

            1. I am a fan of black-and-white issues but this is not one of those. A friend of mine is a grandmother today after her son and his girlfriend procreated. The couple did not stay together (either emotionally or physically) and the woman carried to term and now my friend is quite involved with her granddaughter (a real cutie). I admire my friend so much because as difficult as this was, she stepped up.

      2. I don’t know anyone who has referred to a person’s body as “property” especially not in the legal sense. Plus, you seem to be arguing with Jac over things you’ve heard other people say so I’m not sure what your point is.

  6. “At 8-12 weeks, when 9 out of every 10 abortions take place, the fetus is far from an independent being. At this point, we are talking about cells with the potential to become a human.”
    They have that potential because they have life!

    “To claim that those cells at 8-12 weeks are equal to a living, independent, female infant, is not at all the same.”
    Ah, but I did not say they were the same. What I did say that in my opinion as a biologist who has studied fetal development–to abort is taking life even when the fetus cannot survive outside the womb–because life is there once the sperm fuses with the egg.

    But as DJ says we could discuss this till the cows come home and probably not reach agreement. So we won’t because if the cows come home we might have to milk them and I got enough of that as a kid!

    1. Life is also in the sperm, and also in the egg, before they even come together. I can’t think of anyone that has a problem with discarding either one of those living cells that also have the potential to become a human being. Life is continuous, a piece of one creates the next. The question is when a part of one becomes separate and independent.

      We could discuss this ad nauseum along with countless others. It’s best that the person involved decide without us.

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